Jan. 22nd, 2005 01:12 am
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Am I the only one who is cranky about this whole Nightwing and Starfire are meant to be!!!!!11 crap that has suddenly come up?

Because if Dick is going to end up with anyone who isn't Tim or Bruce or Clark or Roy it should be Barbara, damnit! Isn't it bad enough that Batman/Wonder Woman isn't really canon except in the freaking JLU cartoons? I mean, Catwoman is cool and all, but she just doesn't do much for me. I did enjoy finding my own Batman/Wonder Woman subtext in the latest Wonder Woman comic issue. Diana is blind now, and while she's training Batman comes in to attack her, and she says "Bruce?" in this little voice, and, just. I love. <3 And then she points out he was the only one who didn't hold back while attacking her, and he's all *cranky* "Well did you want me to?" and she's like "No! I love you!". Or something like that. .... And if you consider all that spoilery I advise you to get over it, because I am insane about the spoilers and even I wouldn't consider that spoilery. (Does anyone around here read Wonder Woman, anyway? I picked the newest one up for IC fallout crap. Oh, my comics-trio, I cry for you.)

... I just went on amazon.com, and at the top of the page is some advertisement for Song of Susannah (recommended just for me!), and the opening sentence amuses me...

There's something about a crippled, black, schizophrenic, civil rights activist-turned-gunslinger...

Something indeed! LOL

This reminds me, though, about a dream I had the other night. It was another dream wherein I fangirl'd Stephen King. Why do my dreams keep torturing me like this?? At least in this one I wasn't meeting him, I just wrote him a letter and sent him this painting. I guess I thought he would like the bizarre AU-ness of it all. And, once again, I pimped Lori's Talisman/Dark Tower art, sending him lots of links... ahaha. I should really write him that letter, I'll bet he would love Lori's Roland!

Oh wow, this is pretty amusing! [livejournal.com profile] babb_chronicles - thanks for the link, [livejournal.com profile] derryderrydown.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
Dick/Roy. Always and forever.

Even if he does get back together with Kory, it'll just be because... Um... Her hair's vaguely red?

Date: 2005-01-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zeelee-penguin.livejournal.com
And her eyes are green! See? Dick is just repressing.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
But Roy's eyes are blue!

On the other hand, Wally's are green...

Date: 2005-01-21 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zeelee-penguin.livejournal.com
...well, nuts. There goes that theory. *totally thought Roy's eyes were green*

In that case, Dick has just been momentarily distracted by Kory's breasts and giant hair. *nods*

Date: 2005-01-21 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
Silly colourists have been known to give him green eyes. Then again, silly colourists have been known to give Bart blue eyes...

Bah. Silly colourists.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Come on, Judd! You like gay people! Make it happen.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
. . . . Oh my god, your icon looks so perverted! o_o

Even if he does get back together with Kory, it'll just be because... Um... Her hair's vaguely red?

Hey! I never realized that before. He does have a thing for redheads.. hmm.. even if one of them is all in our minds *cough*Roy*cough*.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
. . . . Oh my god, your icon looks so perverted! o_o

It does rather, doesn't it? *pats the icon proudly* Oh, Outsiders, how good you were before Winick started playing with his Issue Stick...

Date: 2005-01-21 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
... So I wasn't the only one who thought having John Walsh in Outsiders felt like a bad after school special? x_x

Date: 2005-01-21 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] derryderrydown.livejournal.com
John Walsh/Nightwing.

Where's the porn, people?

Date: 2005-01-22 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
You are a sick monkey, my friend. ;)

Date: 2005-01-21 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
er, just in our minds, rather!

Date: 2005-01-21 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tbranch.livejournal.com
all that really means is that there'll be another Nightwing/Huntress crossover.


Date: 2005-01-21 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
I am down with that. <3 Helena.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tbranch.livejournal.com
and that's why yer the BEST!!!

Date: 2005-01-21 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
I am?? Wow, thanks! :D

Date: 2005-01-21 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
*shrugs* Sorry, I've never quite gotten shipwars. So far as I'm concerned, there's no meant to be, only good writing and bad writing. That's just personal philosophy, though.

I'm sorry you are sad about comics? :( *snuggles*

Date: 2005-01-21 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Not even Clark and Lois? Peter and Mary Jane? Those are the set-in-stone comics characters for me, anyway. ^^;

I'm not actually sad, just sort of baffled. I like to complain when I'm sleepy.. don't mind me. *gladly snuggles*

Date: 2005-01-21 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Honestly? No. I don't know Clark and Lois, and while Peter and MJ is about as close to OTP as I can actually get, and I would be very, very unhappy (maybe even angry) to see them broken up, a lot of the reason for the latter is because after all they've been through it would be just plain lazy writing (though I'm not going to claim there MIGHT, might just be a brilliant bit of storyarcing which would make me go with it).

Frankly, MJ's development as a character and the Peter/MJ relationship has been so fraught by authors with differing opinions and random plotline intersections that it's a wonder they have anything remotely coherent, much less one of the cutest pairings in comics. Knowing that, I can't really say they were Meant to Be because they ... weren't. It happened beautifully and organically, but a few pivotal stories' difference and Peter would be married to Gwen or Felicia, or still single.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
You do make good points! I guess I've always been more the type to pair people off for good, a happily ever after kind of thing that growing up on Disney movies clearly brainwashed me with.

I haven't been reading comics (to this degree) for that long. And I know they're on-going and must be kept fresh and interesting, so couples form and endure and break up and get back together and so on and so forth. But I guess I figure if there ever was a true ending for the Spider-Man comics.. like, all the way until Peter's death (and no, not a fake out where he isn't really dead) or old age, I would hope he would still be with MJ.

Date: 2005-01-21 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skalja.livejournal.com
Oh, me too, totally! But just because I think something is the ideal doesn't mean I can say it's Meant to Be, you know? I'm just weird that way. I think I became allergic to OTPs while in HP fandom, where the shipwars are just insane (whatever the merits of the fandom as a whole).

Date: 2005-01-22 01:11 am (UTC)
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (Roy/Dick)
From: [identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com
Given the range of titles in which hints of Dick/Kory reconciliation have been appearing over the past few months -- including IC -- I'd say that if it is going to happen, it's because somebody high up on DC's editorial hierarchy has told the writers to 'make it so.'

I'm used to television slash, where you often have to ignore on-screen pairings in order to 'ship your couple, so the prospect of having to do it in the comics doesn't bother me overmuch.

Of course, Koriand'r has also grown on me a great deal ever the last year. Ten or twelve months ago, this trend would've had me livid; now I actually have neutral-to-warm feelings about Dick and Kory getting back together. Even if they do, it won't be permanent, though, I'm sure. There are passing few relationships in comics canon that are that solid.

Date: 2005-01-22 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Well, Dick/Kory doesn't bother me as a couple, I just don't like it as a forced thing. But then, I'm sure Kory isn't going to force anything she doesn't want to happen, nor will Dick.

Actually, if you could read my reply to Lori below, I'd appreciate it. The continuity with Dick is confusing the hell out of me. Did he leave as Nightwing in "Nightwing" only to Batman, or is Outsiders!Nightwing a different entity? I don't understand. *cries*

Date: 2005-01-22 05:00 pm (UTC)
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (Default)
From: [identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com
Happily, [livejournal.com profile] liviapenn answers your question much better than I could here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/liviapenn/328522.html).

Date: 2005-01-22 03:00 am (UTC)
ext_3190: Red icon with logo "I drink Nozz-a-la- Cola" in cursive. (ka-tet)
From: [identity profile] primroseburrows.livejournal.com
There's something about a crippled, black, schizophrenic, civil rights activist-turned-gunslinger...

...except she's not schizophrenic. She most likely has Dissociative Identity Disorder. [/pet peeve]

Date: 2005-01-22 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Well, they probably never read the book! It is a pretty loaded sentence, though. ;)

Date: 2005-01-22 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-bester.livejournal.com
*Shhhh* uyou cna't correct the laymen. It's far to late.

Also, I'd say more, but it's a spoilers for SoS ^^;;

Date: 2005-01-22 02:55 pm (UTC)
ext_3190: Red icon with logo "I drink Nozz-a-la- Cola" in cursive. (skquarter)
From: [identity profile] primroseburrows.livejournal.com
*Shhhh* uyou cna't correct the laymen. It's far to late.

The avalanche has started. It's too late for the pebbles to vote. Bwah.

Date: 2005-01-22 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glockgal.livejournal.com
Is this happening in the comics?

I don't really mind, but then I'm heeeavily influenced by [livejournal.com profile] kerithwyn (my opinions in comics always stems from the big guns, hehe). And having a tiny woman (why do I know so many tiny women??) assuring me (with the conviction of owning almost all the Teen Titans and New Teen Titans) that Kory did a lot towards shaping Dick's personality and belief system to the way it is now? You'd be sanguine about the Dick and Kory too.

And the more I think about, the more I can easily get on the Dick/Kory bandwagon. I dunno if it makes sense at this point in their lives though. But! It worked before and they were in loooove and yeah. Good times.

Date: 2005-01-22 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Yeah. The Teen Titans go into the future where evil!Titans rule America or something, and they find out that Nightwing left with Starfire to go live happily ever after or whatever. Add to that various other references to the OTP of Nightwing/Starfire in other issues of other things. THEN after the future stuff, you come to find out that the reason Starfire joins Outsiders (which happened recently) was to keep an eye on Dicky cause he's been kind of *insane* lately. I don't mind them getting together at all, really, I just don't like that it's determined by some future people that this Must Be. Also, I don't like the idea of saying they're for good. Like Jack said they most likely wont be.

Here's what confuses me. One or two issues ago of Nightwing, Nightwing left. Like, he isn't Nightwing anymore. And yet he's still in Outsiders and he's still apparently Nightwing as far as the Teen Titans comic is concerned. So, is this just something that will come into play in later Outsiders/TT issues? (We only just found out about Tim's dad biting it in the last issue of TT) Or, is Outsiders!Nightwing seperate from Nightwing!Nightwing (who is, as far as I know, main-canon Nightwing). I'm just. Confused.

Also, there was this really sweet, sad, phone message Dick left Barbara, and she left him one, too (Barbara also left).. and.. I love Barabara a lot, she's pretty much my favorite female Batman character. So I guess I'm just a little sad that it's supposedly Kory who will make Dick all better, and not Babs. :(

Then again, I've never read ANYTHING with Starfire/Nightwing, so I really don't know their relationship at all.


Date: 2005-01-22 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glockgal.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've only read single issues here and there of Kory/Dick, but I grew to accept them. But, you know, it might just not be the appropriate thing for now, what with Dick being all Babs-centric and stuff. *hee* I dunno, maybe Kory is usually there to pick up the pieces of Dick and put him all back together again?

Anyway, *lol* It's like Robin and TT as well. Tim left being Robin, and yet he was still in the TT issues for a bit or something. Gah, that's it, I'm picking up my fucking comics today. I'm sick of being stupid!

Date: 2005-01-22 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Gah, that's it, I'm picking up my fucking comics today. I'm sick of being stupid!

Well, you know, I don't think reading comics will help with that....

(just kidding! ;)

Date: 2005-01-22 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
er, this sentence was supposed to look more like...

Like Jack said they most likely won't be, but it still kind of bothers me.

Date: 2005-01-22 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerithwyn.livejournal.com
*g* I'm tickled that I've been such a formative influence. :D

I should clarify, though--I was all about the Dick/Kory *then.* It was a terrific relationship that had everything to do with shaping the Nightwing we know. But a lot of time's passed since then, and I think that ship has sailed. So to speak. Dick/Kory 4Evah? Not so much.

It *is* entirely appropriate, though, for Kory to be one of the influences that puts Dick back together now. And...I'm not entirely allergic to the idea of a brief reconciliation, though honestly, I'd rather see it go like this:

Kory: *glues Dick back together*
Dick: Therefore I love you again always. Let's have sex.
Kory: ...*sigh* Love to, but been there, done that, lived through the break-up. Go make up with Barbara, doofus.
Fandom: o.O !!!111!!!!

...yeah. Like that. ;)

Date: 2005-01-22 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
That scenario sounds really fabulous, actually. Dick is so needy, LOL.

And I think it makes sense for Kory to kick him back into shape now, because she's more or less apart from the situation, and Batman, and Gotham, etc. I just want them all to be a happy!dysfunctional family again, and not the current broken!dysfunctional family. :(

Date: 2005-01-22 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerithwyn.livejournal.com
God, so do I. But I don't know we're going to see that, not for a long while. All this solo angst seems to be the rage.

Date: 2005-01-22 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Ugh, which doesn't make much sense to me. Don't they know that group angst is much more fun? Tim in Bludhaven feels so *wrong*

Date: 2005-01-22 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-bester.livejournal.com
ummm errr, because us Kory/Dick fans don't read Nightwing and had no idea there was even something with Barbara ^^;;

Money is the reason my comic knowledge is so limited =P

Date: 2005-01-22 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karabou.livejournal.com
Actually, if you have a fast connection you can download lots of comics at zcult. :)


Date: 2005-01-22 04:56 pm (UTC)
ext_6171: Nightwing pressing the back of a hand melodramatically to his brow (actually unconscious; cropped comic panel) (BOOBIES! (Dick/Jason) man-cleavage)
From: [identity profile] buggery.livejournal.com
The Dick/Babs relationship was in NW, BoP and GK at the very least, and mentioned in passing in most if not all of the other Gotham titles, too.

I don't know whether it was ever mentioned in The Titans, because I still haven't read all those issues.

Date: 2005-01-22 01:27 pm (UTC)
ext_3482: Saturn Girl (Default)
From: [identity profile] unlovablehands.livejournal.com
I don't 'ship Dick/Babs or Dick/Kory because they both seem like such unhealthy relationships, but Dick/Babs makes way more sense to me than Dick/Kory right now. The Dick/Kory just seems forced, and honestly, I'd like to see Kory be something other than Dick's Ex in a title for once.

Date: 2005-01-23 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvrsolace.livejournal.com
okay, well, you know what, I am so out of date with my comics right now, I haven't picked them up in forever, so I have no clue what's going on anywhere. I appreciate anything spoilerific in your post.

As for Nightwing/Starfire. I've never been a fan of her, and yes, babbs only should be the love of his life. I know they sort of tried that once, and I was upset when it didn't happen. grrrr...

and yes, bruce and diana, and that's why i so love that DC thing that Lori drew where she had to draw them and their love angst...so fantastic. That's where my world lies too! I've always wanted to read wonder woman, it's a matter of too many comics too little time or money. Do you have any TPBs to recommend?
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